Both UNC and Duke lost last night to Wake Forest and NC State respectively, both by double digit margins. Carolina lost at Chapel Hill and they are 1-3 in the ACC, 12-7 overall. I thought they were a good team when I saw them play and beat Mich State earlier this year; they looked like a potential Final Four team, but they have fallen apart. Duke is still OK. There is still plenty of time left and Roy Williams will probably get UNC turned around. Wake is a quality team and NC State is decent. Life in the ACC, SEC, Big Ten or Big 12 is treacherous.